Der untote Altägypter krautsourct auch...
Ich hatte mal einen Kollegen, der war mit einer georgischen Frau verheiratet und hatte sich den georgischen Blick auf die Welt mit Leidenschaft zu eigen gemacht.

Wenn ich irgendetwas unabhängig von der eigentlichen Sache respektiere, dann Leidenschaft und Enthusiasmus, mit der jemand bei derselben ist.

Außerdem konnte der Kollege ohne Punkt und Komma reden. Das war sozusagen Radio Tiflis, fest eingestellt.

Und guten Wein von da hat er auch mitgebracht.

Das führte alles dazu, daß 'Georgien' auf meinem Radar auftaucht. Wir sollen alle Depeschen lesen & darüber berichten? Okay, gehe ich zu wikileaks.is, suche mir raus, was von der US-Botschaft Tblisi inzwischen auf deren Server steht, nehme mir die einzige Depesche von dort vor, die mit 'SECRET/NOFORN' gekennzeichnet ist, und lese die.

Ich schreibe ungern ernsthafte Schulaufsätze zum Textverständnis, also werde ich lieber einen laufenden Kommentar mit Aufzählungszeichen absondern, und dann den Originaltext in die Kommentare kippen.

Eins noch: Georgien ist uralt, es ist final fatal kompliziert, und die Leute da sind superheftig. Man kann nicht sagen, ob die gerade hochgradig raffiniert oder schlicht komplett durchgeknallt sind. Gnade dem armen Ammi, der mit nur mäßiger Ahnung in dieses Land kommt. Sie werden ihn zu wunderbaren Schlittenfahrten auf ihren wunderschönen Bergen mitnehmen, und er wird noch weniger kapieren als der im Vatikan. Außerdem sind in Georgien die Frauen wesentlich beeindruckender...
  • Die Zusammenfassung geht ja schon mal gut los: die Russen lügen wie gedruckt, und die Ammis lassen Georgien im Regen stehen, um das Verhältnis zu Russland zu verbessern. Der amerikanische Botschafter in Georgien werde jetzt mal eine Lanze für Georgien brechen. Die haben ihn ja schon ganz nett angebändigt.
  • Man solle Georgien wenigstens eine 'a modest, transparent defensive capability' verschaffen, denn in dem Krieg mit Russland während der olymphischen Spiele in Peking hat Georgien allerlei Material verloren, und seither (bis Juni 2009) nicht wieder aufgerüstet. Dieser Ammi frißt denen total aus der Hand; die Georgier sind ja tendenziell auch sehr überzeugend und schon mit jeder Art externer Macht fertig geworden. Römer, Perser, Byzantiner, Zarenreich, osmanisches Reich, Sovjetunion -- haben sie alles ausgesessen.
  • Die Georgier versprechen, auch in Afghanistan zu helfen. Das sollten die Ammis nicht ausschlagen -- zähes Bergvolk mit antirussischen Gefühlen? Die dürften da einen Startvorteil haben.
  • Der georgische Verteidigungsminister hat dem Botschafter anvertraut, die georgische Armee werde stärker reduziert als öffentlich behauptet, aber bloß nicht weitersagen, die Russen könnnten das ausnützen.
  • Georgien hält sich zurück wie verpflichtet, aber die Russen werden diese, diese und jene Lügen verbreiten. Sie wissen schon genau, was die behaupten werden, und nichts davon ist wahr.
  • Und Rinder klauen die Russen auch!! OMG was für ein archaischer Vorworf!
  • Es gibt keine Einflußsphären, sagen die Ammis, und sie sagen es den Russen immer wieder. Das mit dem 'Hinterhof' in Lateinamerika ist was gaaaaanz anderes, nehme ich mal an. Weil Russland keine Einflußsphäre hat, kann es auch nicht behaupten, Amerika würde in derselben wildern, wenn es Georgien in die NATO aufnimmt.
  • Wenigstens etwas historische Perspektive hat der Ammi: er bezieht sich auf das 'große Spiel' zwischen Rußland und dem englischen Empire (in Indien) im 19. Jhd, siehe Rudyard Kipling's Klassiker 'Kim'. Aber jetzt ist alles anders, denn 'U.S. policy seeks to enable independent countries to make their own choices'. Ha ha ha ha ha!!
  • Die Georgier sagen die Wahrheit, die Russen lügen. Und die Ammis sollten auf der Seite der Wahrheit sein. Man muß sich ja mit den Russen verstehen, aber die Georgier haben Recht. OMG der Botschafter frißt den Georgiern ja total aus der Hand. Sie haben ihn ihn nicht nur über den Tisch gezogen, sondern auch noch einen großen Konferenztisch mit seinem Schlips poliert.
  • Wenn man die Georgier dem Frieden mit Russland opfert, dann sorgt das nur dafür, daß die Russen frech werden und denken, sie dürften alles -- und das kann man denen ja nun wirklich absolut nicht durchgehen lassen! Also echt nicht. Man darf ihnen so etwas nicht auch noch durchgehen lassen, sonst machen sie es als nächstes in der Ukraine. Also, das ist der einzige Abschnitt, wo der Mann primär amerikanische Interessen vertritt und nicht georgische. Er erzählt allerdings auch den Amerikanern, warum ist richtig sei, georgische Interssen zu vertreten.
Also, Fazit: die Georgier haben den amerikanischen Botschafter angebändigt, bis er klang wie mein Kollege. Das können die offensichtlich genauso gut wie Weinanbau.-

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sethos, Samstag, 11. Dezember 2010, 20:03
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SUBJECT: IMPORTANCE OF CONTINUED MILITARY ENGAGEMENT WITH
GEORGIA

REF: MOSCOW 1591

Classified By: Ambassador John F. Tefft for Reasons 1.4(b) and (d).

¶1. (C) Summary. The June 22 kickoff of the U.S.-Georgia
Charter Commission will raise the question of the future of
our military cooperation. Embassy Moscow's recent cable
(reftel) has highlighted Russian views and the potential
impact on our attempt to reset our relations with Moscow.
There are, however, strong arguments in favor of providing
Georgia a modest, transparent defensive capability. We
provide our views in this cable. In our assessment, the
Russians are effectively using propaganda based in falsehoods
regarding the current state of the Georgian military to
ratchet up tensions, while simultaneously impressing upon the
U.S. that any efforts to provide military assistance to
Georgia will pose potential roadblocks to improving the
U.S.-Russia relationship. Accepting Russian objections,
however, contradicts stated U.S. policies such as rejecting
the notion of spheres of influence; refusing a third party
veto over NATO membership; and maintaining equal commitment
to relations with both Russia and Georgia. It gives Russian
disinformation an undeserved voice in U.S. policy formation.

¶2. (C) Summary, continued: Embassy Tbilisi believes that
increased transparent military cooperation could help
stabilize the situation in Georgia, as Georgia seeks to
develop its defensive capacity -- and even decrease the size
of its standing army. Retreating from our commitments would
send a profoundly mixed signal to our partners in the region
and in western Europe, especially to those who are
considering opening up their society, increasing
transparency, and seeking increased partnership with the
west. Russia will undoubtedly object to increased military
cooperation, but the answer is not to validate their concern,
but to set the record straight in an organized, aggressive
private and public diplomacy campaign with both Russia and
our broader partners. To do otherwise would be to reward
Russia's aggression in Georgia, as well as its violation of
international law and commitments; encourage a similar stance
in Ukraine; and deal a body blow to our credibility in
Georgia, other Eurasian states, our western partners -- and
ultimately Russia itself. End summary.

THE GEORGIAN ARMY HAS NOT RE-ARMED

¶3. (C) Russian claims that Georgia has more military
capability now than in August 2008,or that it has been
steadily re-arming its forces, are false. During the August
2008 conflict, Georgia lost extensive capabilities, including
30 percent of its armored vehicles, 40 percent of
U.S.-produced AR-15 rifles, and at least 60 percent of its
air defense capability. These have not been replaced. We
are aware of only two deliveries of lethal military equipment
since the war: Ejder armored personnel carriers from a
Turkish firm, based on a pre-war contract; and 16 armored
HMMWVs for the Special Forces Brigade under a program begun
in 2007. The latter were purchased using Coalition Support
Funds, the case was processed before the August war, and the
vehicles would be used in such coalition operations as those
in Afghanistan. The U.S. and other NATO partners have moved
cautiously since the war. Bilateral military-to-military
events between NATO partners and Georgia have been reduced,
Qevents between NATO partners and Georgia have been reduced,
suspended, even terminated. The U.S. in particular has yet
to renew a capacity-building program begun months ago, and we
have not executed a single kinetic event since August,
despite Georgian desires for more tactical training. The
NATO PfP Lancer/Longbow exercises, publicly used by Russia
against the Alliance and Georgia, were planned more than a
year in advance with full Russian knowledge and possibility
for participation.

JOINING THE AFGHANISTAN COALITION

¶4. (C) Secretary Gates' approach on security cooperation of
"brains before brawn" (B3) focuses on the intellectual
development of the Georgian armed forces and is non-kinetic
in nature. The U.S. has now told Georgia we accepted their
offer to deploy a battalion for two years in RC-South, one of
the most dangerous areas of Afghanistan. While it is not yet
known how much training and equipping will be needed to bring
Georgia effectively into the coalition, it is in both U.S.
and Russian interests to widen the coalition in Afghanistan.
Some lethal training will undoubtedly be involved, and we
should not allow Russia to twist any such cooperation in

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Afghanistan, one of the Administration's top priorities, into
a phantom threat.

MINIMAL DEFENSIVE CAPABILITIES NEEDED FOR SURVIVAL

¶5. (C) Georgia also wants to rebuild its native defensive
capacity, which is currently insufficient to control its own
airspace or hinder an invasion from any of its neighbors.
Current Georgian operational thinking is that if they can
defend Tbilisi from occupation for 72 hours, then
international pressure will force the advance to pause. To
achieve this extremely limited goal, Georgia needs sufficient
anti-armor and air defense capability to stall a ground
advance, which it currently lacks. The development of this
capacity is not solely equipment-based, but it will require
the acquisition of new lethal defensive systems. If Georgia
does not procure the equipment from the U.S., it will almost
surely seek to procure it elsewhere, as it has done in the
past. U.S. involvement would help ensure the transparency of
the procurement process itself, as well as increase our
control over the amount, type and location of the equipment.

¶6. (C) In addition, Minister Sikharulidze recently approved
an intermediate force structure change that would reduce the
Georgian Armed Forces total personnel strength by 6,000
service members from the current 36,000. (Current actual
personnel is approximately 31,000.) Without prejudging the
ongoing Strategic Assessment process, the Minister has
confided to us that the final Georgian force structure will
be below 30,000. The Georgians have not publicized this
proposed downsizing because they fear that a smaller Georgian
Army could encourage Russian armed incursions. Furthermore,
a recently proposed further 7 percent reduction in the
defense budget will drop Georgia's total defense spending to
less than half of 2008 levels.

¶7. (C) Georgia's military plan is defensive in nature. As
EUR Assistant Secretary Gordon recently noted to Georgian
Defense Minister Sikharulidze, every country has the right to
defend itself - as described in Article 51 of the UN Charter.
Russia may argue no weapon is only defensive in nature;
anti-tank and air defense systems, however, would not give
Georgia the capacity to launch an offensive attack. Russia
may argue that Georgia is acquiring other, more offensive
systems clandestinely at the same time. There is no evidence
to support this assertion, and we would have a much greater
degree of influence -- and be in a position to keep Russia
well informed -- if we were involved in defensive system
procurement. Finally, Russia will likely level allegations
of increased Georgian offensive capacity regardless of facts,
just as they have done in the Geneva process. Georgia,
however, provides far more transparency on its military
forces than virtually any country in the world, signing MOUs
between the EU Monitoring Mission (EUMM) and its Ministries
of Defense and Internal Affairs that give the observers
unprecedented access to Georgian military and law enforcement
installations. The EUMM, along with the OSCE, has repeatedly
affirmed that Georgia has respected the limits established in
those MOUs and has no offensive capability near Abkhazia and
South Ossetia. Russia essentially ignores these statements
and continues to level the same allegations, but that bluster
Qand continues to level the same allegations, but that bluster
does not change the fact of Georgia's continued restraint.
As we seek to help Georgia develop its defensive capacity, we
could pursue smilar public and/or written commitments from
the Georgians on the exclusively defensive nature of the
program.

¶8. (C) We believe that providing Georgia with enhanced
defensive capabilities will stabilize the situation. While
Russia, as well as the de facto regimes in Abkhazia and South
Ossetia, may argue otherwise, it is Russia and its proxy
regimes that have dramatically increased the militarization
of Georgia over the past year. Russia has introduced at
least 3,700 troops into sovereign Georgian territory, as well
as heavy military equipment, such as tanks, artillery and
anti-aircraft systems, into the area immediately adjacent to
the administrative boundaries -- in direct violation of the
commitments President Medvedev made in the cease-fire
agreement. It is Georgia that has lost 14 police officers
since the war; kidnappings, cattle thefts, and detentions
continue along the boundary, mostly on the Abkhaz and South
Ossetian sides. Russian helicopters make regular flights
along the boundaries, sometimes crossing them, and Russian
forces move large numbers of troops and heavy equipment along
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continue to confirm Georgia's cooperative and constructive
approach. There is little to deter Russia from taking
additional military action, except a legitimate defensive
force opposing it. At the same time, such a force would not
pose an offensive threat to the regions.

¶9. (C) Retreating from military cooperation would be a step
back from commitments we have made to Georgia and other
international partners. Not only will Georgia be
disappointed in our diminished support, and hesitant to trust
us again, but other partners will draw the same conclusions.
The Russia-Georgia war has already led some countries, such
as Azerbaijan and the Central Asian states, to question the
extent of our commitment, even though we never committed to
the direct military defense of Georgia. A step back from
commitments we have made would remove any doubt in our
unreliability and convince countries from Belarus to
Kyrgyzstan, even as they try to recalibrate their own
relationship with Russia, that the risks of continuing
partnership with Russia are less than those of moving toward
cooperation with the United States. One of our specific
commitments has been to NATO membership for Georgia,
politically at the Bucharest Summit, and at the operational
level, with the Georgia-NATO Commission and the Annual
National Plan. A key component of that process is the
development of Georgia's homeland defense capacity. Since
last August we have engaged with Georgia on elements of their
preparation for Euro-Atlantic integration, but the military
component cannot be deferred indefinitely. The longer we
defer action, the clearer the message will be to Georgia and
others that our commitment to membership has diminished.

¶10. (C) Beyond our specific commitment to Georgia, we have
made broader commitments not to allow Russia to impose its
flawed zero-sum vision on our own strategic view of the
world. The Secretary explicitly rejected Russia's notion of
spheres of influence during her May 7 meeting with Foreign
Minister Lavrov. The Vice President rejected the same notion
at the February Munich Security Conference. The President
himself told President Medvedev the same thing in London.
All three have likewise expressed unequivocal support for
Georgia's NATO aspirations and territorial integrity. Any
perceived or real retreat from these unambiguous statements
-- and our special relationship with Georgia makes it a test
case -- will raise questions about our leadership.

LOOKING AHEAD

¶11. (C) A difficult, but crucial, element of our strategy for
continuing engagement with Georgia while maintaining a good
relationship with Russia will be an aggressive private, as
well as public diplomacy campaign that is well coordinated
with our western partners. Russia will try to spin any
military cooperation as negatively as possible, but we must
not allow Russian disinformation to go unchallenged. As
noted above, we have already taken the first step in our
engagement with the Georgian military: agreeing together on
the B3 approach. We are currently exploring the best fit for
a Georgian contribution to the effort in Afghanistan.
Neither of these areas could be considered threatening. A
further step, toward helping Georgia improve its defensive
capacity, would not be inherently threatening, and could help
Qcapacity, would not be inherently threatening, and could help
stabilize the situation. We must resist efforts to cast it
any other way. Russia will likely continue to portray NATO
engagement as threatening.

¶12. (C) More fundamentally, Russia continues to characterize
our differing agendas in the post-Soviet space as a zero-sum,
new "Great Game". Unlike in the 19th century, when two
empires vied to establish control over the intervening
territory in the exclusive pursuit of their own narrow
interests, U.S. policy seeks to enable independent countries
to make their own choices. However real the perception may
be among Russians that the United States is out to get them,
we must resist all efforts to confuse that perception with
our true intentions. Georgia is seeking to choose its own
partners, defend its own country, establish a market-based
economy free of corruption, and further develop its young
democracy -- and we are helping it do so. Georgia poses no
threat to Russia; it wants the political space to pursue its
own path. To step back from our mission because Russia
mitrusts our motives is to cede to Russia the terms of
development in Eurasia for the foreseeable future.

¶13. (C) There are two practical steps that we might consider

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pursuing to help both address the real danger of instability
and blunt Russia's momentum in the public diplomacy sphere.
First, we could encourage Georgia to make public and/or
written commitments about the exclusively defensive nature of
its new military programs. Second, we could encourage
Georgia to offer to sign a non-use of force agreement with
Russia. Russia has been pushing hard for such an agreement
between Georgia and its own regions, which Georgia has
understandably been unwilling to consider. If Georgia were
to call Russia's bluff and offer to sign such an agreement
with Russia itself, however, the burden would shift to Russia
to demonstrate the sincerity of its commitment to stability.
It is unlikely that Russia, which still maintains the fiction
that it is not a party to the conflict, would accept
Georgia's offer, but it would be left on the defensive.
Meanwhile Georgia could pursue its defensive development with
a ready answer to any Russian claims of belligerence or
provocation. (Note: Embassy Tbilisi has not explored either
of these steps with Georgia, so they are only ideas at this
point, but experience suggests Georgia would at least be
willing to consider them. The steps Georgia has already
taken to provide transparency on its military and law
enforcement activities suggest they would be willing to take
similar steps. In the months after the war, senior Georgian
officials expressed their willingness to pursue a non-use of
force agreement if Russia made certain concessions. End
note.)

COMMENT: BALANCING RISKS

¶14. (C) Embassy Tbilisi does not question the importance or
difficulty of managing our relationship with Russia,
especially if we proceed with further military cooperation
with Georgia. No matter how loudly we insist on the true
state of affairs, most Russians at this point will either not
believe us or ignore us, as Embassy Moscow pointed out.
There is indeed a risk that taking the next step with Georgia
will jeopardize the improvement of our relationship with
Russia. There is also a risk, however, that not taking that
step will both foster further instability in Georgia and
jeopardize our credibility in a much broader space.
Furthermore, as past experience has shown, there is yet
another risk: that improvements in relations with Russia,
even if bought with compromises on other U.S. interests, will
not pay off with any real dividends. Embassy Tbilisi would
argue that sacrificing a relationship with a dedicated
partner like Georgia is the greater risk, because it will
only embolden Russia in the future, both to push for more
concessions on our part and to reassert its perceived sphere
of influence further. Up to this point, Russia has paid no
concrete penalty whatsoever for invading and occupying a
neighboring country; unilaterally recognizing two of its
regions as independent states; violating CFE and cease-fire
commitments by vastly increasing its military presence in
those regions and not allowing humanitarian access;
corrupting the original concept of the Geneva process into a
forum to lend legitimacy to the regions; blocking a
status-neutral effort by the international community, through
the OSCE, to promote stability; and killing the UN Observer
Mission in Georgia. Allowing Russia to dictate the pace of
QMission in Georgia. Allowing Russia to dictate the pace of
military engagement with Georgia will be seen as rewarding
Russia for its behavior. It could only be a matter of time
before it takes similar actions in Ukraine or elsewhere.
TEFFT

petersilie, Freitag, 17. Dezember 2010, 08:09
...und die Leute da sind superheftig. Man kann nicht sagen, ob die gerade hochgradig raffiniert oder schlicht komplett durchgeknallt sind.
Warum nur fällt mir bei dieser Paasage spontan gleich der Georgier Iosseb Bessarionis dse Dschughaschwili ein?

sethos, Freitag, 17. Dezember 2010, 16:05
Genau.

Zu den Durchgeknalltheiten der Georgier zählt auch, daß sie im Heimatort des betreffenden Herrn immer noch ein ehrendes Museum mit Jugendandenken haben, und das alles noch durchaus positiv sehen, und argumentieren, wieso das doch ein großer Mann der Weltgeschichte gewesen sei...

Irgendwann, wenn sich die Lage ein bisserl beruhigt hat, will ich da mal hin. Also, nicht zu dem Museum, aber nach Georgien. Spinnerte kleine Völker liegen mir. Finnen, Iren etc. Auch Isländer wären bestimmt mal nett.

petersilie, Samstag, 18. Dezember 2010, 19:43
Man hat so das Gefühl, als sympatisierten Sie in allererster Linie mit allen die pleite ware, und von uns subventiosaniert wurden bzw. mit jenen die noch pleite sind, aber noch auf Finanzierung unsererseits hoffen ;-)

sethos, Samstag, 18. Dezember 2010, 20:40
Nee, nicht wirklich. Finnland hatte einen bösen Knick in der Ökonomie in den frühen 90ern, als die Trasferrubel-Geschäfte mit der aufgelösten UdSSR wegfielen; seither gehts denen relativ gut. Das war noch vor dem EU-Beitritt von Finnland; als die in die EU kamen, hatten sie sich schon wieder eingekriegt.

Und die Isländer besinnen sich jetzt auf ihre Kernkompetenzen*; die Leute selber wurden im Grunde genauso von den Banken übern Tisch gezogen wie deren ausländische Kunden. Eine mir bekannte Sphinx ist schon ein paarmal in Island gewesen, ihr Geld besuchen (die hatte da was bei Kaupthing geparkt, hat es aber inzwischen auch wieder), und ich habe immer wieder mit großer Freude ihre zahlreichen Bilder von dort angeguckt. Mein neuester Neffe (am 5. November geboren) hat sogar einen isländischen Namen; der davor hat einen irischen. Ich würde gerne mal nach Island fahren.-


*Tourismus, Ponies, heiße Quellen und Pulloverstricken.

petersilie, Sonntag, 19. Dezember 2010, 07:18
Ich auch.
Ist aber so verdammt teuer, alles dort.
Sagt man.
Ich könnte Spaß daran haben, ein paar hundert Kilometer im Tölt zurückzulegen, aber mit sowas brauch' ich dem Ungatten nicht zu kommen.


Und die irischen Kernkompetenzen sind ganz ähnlich gelagert: Tourismus, Bierbrauen, Volksmusik und Pulloverstricken (in Irland übrigens reine Männersache...).

sethos, Sonntag, 19. Dezember 2010, 11:40
Joooo, Irland kenne ich. Da war ich in früheren Jahren mit der Sphinx; die hat immer lieber jemanden zum Mitkommen. Pferde gehören in Irland auch zu den Kernkompetenzen. Ich habe auch irgendwo noch nen irischen Pullover, in wollweiß.

Die Sphinx und der Sphinxgatte sind in Island mit einem kleinen Geländewagen losgezogen und haben sich im Überqueren unüberbrückter Flüsse versucht. Wäre das nicht auch was für Ihren Ungatten?

petersilie, Montag, 20. Dezember 2010, 09:37
Definitiv eher was für ihn, als für mich.

Ich bevorzuge bereits überbrückte Flüsse.

sethos, Montag, 20. Dezember 2010, 11:35
Im Inneren von Island lohnt es sich anscheinend nicht, Brücken zu bauen...

petersilie, Montag, 20. Dezember 2010, 20:58
Was aber wohl nichts ausmacht.

Dafür gibt es ja da genug Geysire.

Draufstellen, warten, bis der einen hochspült und mit Schwung auf die andere Seite, oder so ähnlich. Ich denk' mir das wie so 'ne feuchte Trampolin-Technik.

sethos, Montag, 20. Dezember 2010, 22:01
Ich glaube, die sind zu heiß.

Aber auf den Fotos von der Sphinx und dem Sphinxgatten sehen die schon beeindruckend aus. Was mich aber noch mehr fasziniert hat, sind die Wasserfälle. Da gibt es diesen einen, ganz in der Nähe vom Eyjafjallajökull, der hufeisenförmig ist und wo man hinter dem Wasserfall durchlaufen kann.

Das will ich mal machen, bevor die Welt untergeht...